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papacy and so the logic was simple, they wanted continuity. so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the timing which you know i'm completely obsessed with, that's mainly because i have to figure out when i have to get to rome, but when we're looking at what might be different this time, that's the excitement, right? what are you looking at from the outside? what do you think the possibilities here are? and are we being too excited? >> in terms of the candidates or in terms of what we're going to see going forward? >> because pope benedict has created precedent here by saying i'm resigning, this is the best thing for the church, will that i
wrote about her friend when he was just cardinal joseph ratzinger. >> john paul ii was much more vigorous. when he wanted something, he was really now! joseph ratzinger is not now, but is trying to convince -- maybe try to convince to make these people reasoning in a certain way, but he didn't succeed. >> reporter: even the most faithful say his legacy will be m mixed with great accolades for his teachings and writings but criticism for some of his leadership. >> success is hard to say. it's not that there's been highs and lows but issues to deal with that have been very serious. >> reporter: the abuse of children by priests has driven people away from the church. >> i think there are all kinds of rules and regulations that have been set up to protect children more so that this does not happen again. >> reporter: the growing consensus is that the next pope must be a strong manager, able to take on the challenges and reign in a dysfunction al. able to lead this institution and charisma never hurt. >> i hope he will be a man with a vision and can move forward. say to the crowd i lo
not the savior. there's only one savior, jesus christ. >> i didn't know. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the pope desk. where is pat buchanan? hey, somebody call pat buchanan and wake him up. what's up next? >>> well, we're going to talk about the state of the union next. coming up, deputy majority whip congressman tom cole will join us. also former deputy campaign manager for the obama campaign, stephanie cutter will be here to preview the president's state of the union address. and later, we'll talk to nbc news chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. and "new york times" columnist gail collins. and in just a few minutes, sports columnist for the "new york daily news," mike lupica joins
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